Sun Tech Days St. Petersburg 2009

Sun Tech Days St. Petersburg was on Wednesday-Thursday the last week and we’ve had a MySQL booth there. Unlike the last year, we’re full part of Sun now so managed to get a decent-sized booth, arrange for leaflets, and Kostja gave an overall MySQL talk.

Questions at the booth (in no particular order):

  • When will Connector.NET support LINQ Entity framework? (According to Reggie Burnett: it is currently supported in Connector 6.0/Beta, which is expected to be GA soon)
  • Can Connector.Net be used with Mono? (Yes)
  • Is Workbench available for Linux (Yes)
  • When will MySQL support stored procedures? This question seems to have replaced the infamous “When will MySQL support transactions” question.
  • What is the impact of different transaction isolation levels on performance of InnoDB? (no idea. If you ran some experiments please drop a comment)
  • When will MySQL support LIMIT clause inside subqueries, in particular the
    ... WHERE IN (SELECT ... ORDER BY LIMIT n) form? (we would like to add support for this, but no plans ATM. Request taken.)
  • Does MySQL have any limitations on table/database size or number of records in the table? (I gather people are used to having limitations in free versions of SQL Server or Oracle and expect something like that in MySQL)
  • When will fulltext search support searching for different wordforms (that’s a big deal for searching in Russian texts, as the words get different suffixes depending on which grammatic case they are in)? No plans ATM. Perhaps somebody has developed a fulltext parser plugin somewhere?
  • When will InnoDB get efficient support for COUNT(*)?
  • Are there any plans to make MySQL more efficient when handling big blob columns?

We’ve got several complaints that look like bugs:

  • LEFT JOIN and multi-table DELETE fails to delete records when using foreign keys. We’ve got a test case so I’ve filed this as BUG#44207.
  • There’s something wrong with Connector/Java and timezones. I’m not sure if we’ve managed to repeat the problem on our laptops, we were promised a bug report.
  • Another person complained about a sharp slowdown in join performance when table size(s) exceed 1M rows. According to the reporter, all buffers are adequately-sized, EXPLAIN shows that the query plan is the same. No idea what this could be then, as the SQL layer doesn’t have any hard-coded buffer sizes.

Also there was this Java duke guy:


and we’ve figured that it would be nice to get a MySQL dolphin the next year. And have the developer with biggest number of bugs in his code wear it :-) .

Posted in sun tech days on April 12th, 2009 by spetrunia | | 2 Comments

Sun Tech Days St. Petersburg

I’m now at Sun Tech Days St Petersburg. MySQL got involved in it on a very short notice so there are no MySQL sessions or tutorials, and we only have a small booth. It’s decently manned though, there are six MySQLers here in total and we have no less than three people on the booth at nearly all times.

We organized some ad hoc sessions, so far, Alexey (aka Kaamos)’s talk about MySQL and dtrace attracted the most listeners, and Kostja was the second with his talk about new MySQL 5.1 features.

We get lots of questions on wide range of topics, the most popular are

  • Is Sun going to change MySQL license (close the source)? People are pleased to learn that MySQL will remain GPL.
  • How is MySQL development going to co-exist with PostgreSQL development inside Sun?
  • What, exactly, are MySQL licensing terms? People are not sure whether they will be able to use GPL or will need an OEM license, and what are the OEM licensing conditions and terms. It would be nice if MySQL website had more details about OEM agreements terms.

We get a fair number of technical questions as well. Here’s a quick dump in no particular order:

  • Does MySQL have special optimizations for Sun Niagara processors? What are the settings one should use when running on Niagara?
  • A complaint about poor subquery performance for a query generated by Hibernate. We figured that the issue is addressed in MySQL 6.0 by WL#3740 table pullout optimization.
  • Quite a few people are interested in in-memory transactional databases. Not all of them know about MySQL Cluster.
  • Most people are not aware of existence of MySQL Forge or MySQL University. People were interested to see slides, talks and other similar media, we’re handing out pieces of paper with MySQL Forge urls.
  • How does one create a load-balanced and/or fault-tolerant multi-machine MySQL installation? There is MySQL Proxy and there are 3rd-party solutions, there are also clustered JDBC drivers, but people would like to see a packaged or officially supported configurations. It would also be nice if there was an overview of available solutions and their relative properties.
  • MySQL’s command line client has poor tab completion in comparison to PostgreSQL’s. Indeed, hitting <TAB> in /usr/bin/mysql client always completes the list of tables and columns while in /usr/bin/psql completion is context-sensitive, e.g. if you type ALTER and hit TAB you’ll get a list of continuations available ALTER commands.
  • Is there a way to have more than 64 indexes?
  • Does MySQL’s GIS implementation allow to efficiently select primitives that are contained within (or have non-empty intersection with) a given axis-aligned rectangle? WL#3126 GIS: Precise spatial operations source tree needs to have some user-level documentation.
  • mysqldump and charsets. Quite a few people complained about having difficulties when doing export and import of databases in cp1251.
  • There needs to be some tool to assist upgrades. Several attendees said they were unable to upgrade their applications: the application stops working when moved to a newer MySQL version and they can’t figure out what went wrong. Ideally, they would like to have a tool that would just take their source code and update it with a newer MySQL, but that seems to be an “AI-complete” task. As a realistic option, we might use Proxy to run all queries against both old and new server, and report the differences.
  • MySQL cannot use index_merge over both fulltext and non-fulltext indexes, that is, it will use only one index (actually the fulltext one) for query like
    SELECT count(*) FROM tbl
    WHERE match(ft_key) AGAINST ('pizza' IN BOOLEAN MODE) AND non_ft_key='bar'

The conference is definitely worth to have presence on, also it’s nice to have enough people so we don’t have a strict booth watch schedule and there is always some rested force on the booth. Day-wise, the first day was the busiest, starting from the very opening hours. The second day had a slower start and even now (13:00) the crowd is not as thick. The good side of that is that it’s easier to have longer and uninterrupted discussions with interested attendees.

Posted in sun tech days on April 3rd, 2008 by spetrunia | | 2 Comments